Darkmoon Bettas
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Glenn,
At least in the U.S., the most frequently-used common name for your Tateurndina ocellicauda is “peacock gudgeon”, although they’re also called “peacock goby”, “rainbow gudgeon”, and “eye-spotted sleeper”. (GORGEOUS photos, by the way. Just stunning!)Darkmoon BettasParticipantThe egg clusters are big and pink, like wads of bubblegum, and laid above the waterline, like so:
As stated, the clutches usually contain a couple hundred little snails, so only seeing 4 is unusual. They’re usually very visible on the tank sides, although you’ll occasionally get them laid on a filter part or the inside of a hood, which makes them easier to miss. Check the glass and hood insides for any “residue”. If there was a brig egg clutch there, there should still be a faint trace of pink circles left there, dried up, kind of like sea foam on the sand.
Is there any chance the “baby” snails are actually young “pond snails” that came in on plants or something? Those often come in in tiny, nearly invisible jelly-like clusters on live plants. Those clusters are much smaller, usually 20-30. Unless the babies look like PERFECT miniatures of the adults–shell shape, antennae, color–they’re probably not baby brigs.
Darkmoon BettasParticipant@atlantis_child wrote:
Today to my suprise and horror I found a swiggleing long, thin and tiny worm thing in my recently set in breeding tank. :evil:
I stirred up the tank water and sand and found more.
And no, there’s no possible way these evil things could be fry, they are as long as the fishs themselves…
From looking up unwanted aquarium criters and stuff I came to the conclusion that it might be ich. My fish have been rather pale recently, even though there have been no changes made to their habitat recently. Their tails and fins are still bright red, and they seem busy enough, chasing each other around, circling each other and such.
Their appetite has been down lately though.I treated the tank with Maracide.
Any thoughts? Anybody had ich on their fish before? Is this what it looks like when not on the fish?
Advice and comments would be appreciated greatly. Please reply.
Ich in its freeswimming form is totally invisible. You can only see it with the naked eye when it’s in its form ON the fish. (Your fish will look like it’s been rolled in salt if it has ich.) Nothing you ever see crawling on the glass or swimming in the water is ich in any stage.
If you do have a lot of these little worms–which are probably one of several forms of harmless, but pesky, invertebrates often found in tanks–and your fish are paler, eating less, and seeming lethargic, it’s time to do a water test, and probably a water change. Worms like that only tend to flourish when there’s an overabundance of biological material (uneaten food, decaying plant matter, waste buildup in the water, etc) so if you have a lot of them, it means something’s off balance. Check your ammonia/nitrite/nitrage levels, for sure. If they’re off, do an immediate 30% water change. Even if they look OK, I’d do a water change if it’s been more than 3 weeks since you did your last one.
Darkmoon BettasParticipant@chr15_8 wrote:
@atlantis_child wrote:
Does anybody know if it’s bad to breed the parents with their offspring?
I thought it was ok for fish. At least, for a few generations.Another thought I had. I’m not just going to keep just any of the offspring, I’m going to keep some of the prettier ones for future breeding. That makes sense, right? Afterall, most people that buy the fish probably won’t buy them to breed them.
i heard if you breed offspring together they are weaker so i would assume its the same with parent/offsring breeding which is why i would leave the fry in my planted tank as they would probably get dissposed of quite quickly
i know where your coming from in terms of selecting fry for future breeding but from pictures that ive seen of young fry you would have to wait t least 10 weeks to be able to see the colouring on them and i would think longer to sex them
chris
Generally, with most aquarium-type fish, a couple generations of linebreeding/inbreeding doesn’t seem to greatly weaken the strain, so I’d personally feel comfortable with doing a F1 or F2 with my current stock before really needing to bring in new genetics. It’s the accumulation of multiple copies of weak genes that really causes problems. Unless the parent fish are really faulty to begin with, genetically, I don’t see the harm in a limited gene pool for the very short term.
Darkmoon BettasParticipantWhen I get offspring *crosses fingers* first I’ll take some to auction tthrough the local fish club I attend. I know there are several people there really interested in some, but who want to buy only captive-raised stock. After that, I’ll start selling them through the fish store I work at, that also won’t be offering them again until captive stock is available.
Darkmoon BettasParticipant@atlantis_child wrote:
Nice pics, nice tank too
What is that low, mossy plant thing in the centre of the last picture called?
Looks most like a flattened-out “marimo ball” or “Japanese moss ball” to me. (Cladophora aegagrophila, technically an algae, not a moss”)
Darkmoon BettasParticipant@tan wrote:
at paws for thought in leeds/ where i got mine they were £1.99 each or 5 for £9 in march, now they are £2.50 each, or 5 for £11. maidenhead aq. are robbers!!! all the more incentive for us lot to breed them. it seems as predicted that demand is higher than supply as they should be relying on captive bred sources now and leaving the lake alone. good luck everyone!
Actually, it’s an issue at the source. At least some exporters have completely stopped shipping them from their origin in Myanmar/Burma due to the worry of them being so threatened in the wild. (I don’t know if it’s a countrywide/government restriction, or a more localised one bysiness by business)
The LFS I work in (in California, USA) had 4 in for a couple months–I took them home myself, and asked my boss to get me 2 more, as what I have is 3m, 1f and I wanted 2 more girls. Turns out, NONE of the wholesalers in Northern California are able to get galaxies/CPD’s anymore, as none of *their* suppliers are exporting the animal anymore until the situation in the wild is better understood.I don’t know how this is in other countries, or even in the rest of the US, but it is part of the increase in price.
It’s also an incredibly good thing, in terms of preventing the extinction of this pretty little animal at the hands of the aquarium trade.
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