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Haven’t told my parents yet, but I’ve decided to get more galaxies. Will search for captive breds in my area or potentially, through the mail, but there is a store that sells them, but would much rather have captives. So I might be able to get some there, then sell back more of their young than those I bought, if that makes sense. There is a sort of having a consience thing going on there. It’s been a while though, maybe they don’t have them any more (or on the positive side, have domestic ones)
Of course that’s the whole idea of just about everyone here, isn’t it? Reducing the demand for fish from the wild, making it more expensive to import than buy locally from breeders.
Thinking back, I didn’t really know much about breeding all those monthes. And just when I was going to do it the more ‘professional’ way, or whatever you want to call it, I made a horrible and deadly mistake.
So, I have a 10 gallon with nothing in it but water and floating plastic plants, a divider(s) if needed, space in other aquriums for fry, and no galaxies at the moment.
What ratio of males to females and number should I aim for? Other comments and things I should do? (Other than bury and mourn my dead
)Like the title says, I’m pretty much starting from scratch. Just know a bit more about the species than a total newbie.
Oh, and I got a used but still good I believe, Fluval 404 filter from work. They were going to chuck it, but the manager knew I had aquariums and gave it to me. :wink:
Another benefit of the job. Found out I get a 20% off discount at the store too, which is great.
Anyway, input please?
– Atlantis
Yep i agree, get around 10 fish with an even mix of male and female, If you are serious about breeding them then go for whatever you can get. It is better to take a few from the wild and multiply them by 100 in captivity than not owning any at all.
The only time i dont agree with wild caught fish is when they are bought purely for decoration and the owner has no intention of breeding them.
For as long as this fish is still in decline in the wild we are still responsible for the captive breeding and spread of captive stock. If i was closer i would send you some, ill keep my eye open for canadian stock that can be posted…@ste12000 wrote:
Yep i agree, get around 10 fish with an even mix of male and female, If you are serious about breeding them then go for whatever you can get. It is better to take a few from the wild and multiply them by 100 in captivity than not owning any at all.
Totally agree
For as long as this fish is still in decline in the wild we are still responsible for the captive breeding and spread of captive stock.
Totally agree. I feel as strongly about that even more than I feel that bettas deserve more more space to live in than a half gallon, or even worse, those tiny things they’re usually stored in the stores at people’s home… Luckily I have an impact at work. I always maintain the stance my stance that the they need at least 2 gallons, and either good water changes weekly or a filter. Happily. many people buy them for their community aquariums, or take my advice. I always bring up the fact that with more space plants and/or decorations can be added to make it more pretty. That changes a lot of minds, because people tend to like those things, even in a rather small inclosure. We see mini decorations and plastic and real plants perfect for that kinda thing.
Uh, sidetack…Oh well, this is my thread, and who’s going to moderate a moderate?
ill keep my eye open for canadian stock that can be posted…
That’d be great. They have wilds in more specialized fish stores around here, but unless I’m quite mistaken, no domestics.
Going to call around though.
– Atlantis
@atlantis_child wrote:
Uh, sidetack…Oh well, this is my thread, and who’s going to moderate a moderate?
I like that comment :lol: :lol:
My two cents: if your intentions are to breed these fishies (and they sure seem to be!), then I’d argue that the ethical thing to do is to buy some of the wild-caught fish that are still floating around in the market. This will add greater diversity to the captive-bred populations. The downside is potentially adding pressure to the wild populations because buying stimulates capturing. However, Myanmar is said to have officially removed these guys from their positive list of what *can* be exported (which is actually a better way to do it than to have a potentially incomplete list of what can’t be exported). So the connection between buying them from stores and adding pressure to wild collecting should be broken, black markets and illegal activity aside.
Keep in mind you’ll have to find a way to get the adults away from the kids as soon as they spawn, especially if the eggs/fry only have plastic plants to hide in.
Looking forward to hearing about your first spawns! We know it won’t be long!
However, Myanmar is said to have officially removed these guys from their positive list of what *can* be exported (which is actually a better way to do it than to have a potentially incomplete list of what can’t be exported). So the connection between buying them from stores and adding pressure to wild collecting should be broken, black markets and illegal activity aside.
That’s great! I’m surpised but pleased they’d take that action. After all, it’s a pretty poor country, probably needs all economic activity it can get.
Now’s the time to buy, huh… Before prices hit the roof!
Keep in mind you’ll have to find a way to get the adults away from the kids as soon as they spawn, especially if the eggs/fry only have plastic plants to hide in.
Yeah, every time I try a spawning I’ll remove them and check for fry and/or leave it for a few days.
I’m calling around today. Going to pick them up soon as my tank’s free, as I’ll soon be boarding a stray goldfish. It was in a university pond, but when they drained it and brought the fish in, they missed this guy. My sister’s boyfriend found him, and he’ll be staying at my place till he sets something up. For the fish that is… He has aquariums too.
Where I work they have these ‘flats’ of fake grass looking plants. Thinking of buying a few. The galaxies would probably appeciate them.
– Atlantis
You know me… always a big proponent for live plants and full-spectrum lighting… I think it will help a lot with the health of your fish because it’ll help stabilize your tank ecosystem. Good luck with the project…
@celestialdude wrote:
You know me… always a big proponent for live plants and full-spectrum lighting… I think it will help a lot with the health of your fish because it’ll help stabilize your tank ecosystem. Good luck with the project…
Well they’ll get the light because my planted tank will be right next to it, but judged from my last planted tank I don’t have the right stuff to deal with live plants and trying to breed. Or plants in sand period. It just got sludge on the bottom that I couldn’t get rid of.
Haven’t decided what I’ll do with the bottom of the tank yet. Need something to hold them damn plants down. Why do they make that base thing still be able to float? :roll:
– Atlantis
Hi Atlantis Glad to hear your going to try again. If you do get those plant mats can i suggest you get some plant weight lead and attatch it to the mat That is what i done with mine. ( A word of caution though my CPD’s love the mat to hide in and i dont see them that often )
Sounds like you have issues with your substrate grain size. If it’s too fine or too coarse you’ll have problems. Just right, and the plants can be anchored down nicely in it and will grow nice roots. Also, some plants like Java fern and Java moss are usually tied to something else, like rocks and wood, so they don’t really need substrate. Another thing — some plants grow better in clumps, so don’t spread them apart to grow in individual stalks. They will take root more vigorously when in clumps, from my own experience.
And finally… CO2 supplementation helps make them grow nice and strong. It sounds complex but is really very simple… see my post in this forum regarding this. You could also get into liquid plant fertilizers too, etc etc.
I that find it’s all worth it! I haven’t had any issues with fish diseases and the fishes are really happy with the plants, especially Celestials that are very shy and need them to hide in, especially plants with fine leaves like Java moss.
Oh yes check out this great site : http://www.aquariumplants.com
Really dedicated to live plants, aren’t you, Celestrial?
No, my plants are going in the community. I think they’ll look awesome there, plus there’s more space, so it’s not so cramped. Actually thinking of getting a scrubby low spreading little plant that is pretty cool as i sort of have a slate-y rugged thing going on. Will switch things around for the live plants though.
Think my fish will like the new plants.
Anyway, I’ll post before and afters…
– Atlantis
Hehe, yea, a true fan.
The plant that comes to mind, based on your requirements, is Glossostigma elatinoides. Check out photos :
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