NEW FISHROOM UPDATE WITH PICS..
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Ill be working on it, i think it may be to do with the softness of my water?? As i said ill keep trying and change one thing at a time until i hit the jackpot and raise a few to adulthood. I also put them in the breeding tanks as single pairs! maybe the majority of the eggs were not fertilized by the single male? maybe more than one male in the breeding tank may produce more viable eggs. This maybe the case…..
Ill report back when i have some more info…Chris i know that its a struggle when you still live with your parents, luckily im now 30 and own my own home and have no-one to answer to. Explain to your dad that the more insulation you use the less electricity you waste trying to keep everything warm. In the middle of winter we will be pushed to keep things cosy outside unless the structure is very well insulated. Thats why i have now finished off the large side so i can keep things warm in the dead of winter and still keep the electricity bill reasonable. Upto now the difference is very apparent in that iv now kept the same temp but have dropped the thermostat on the radiator by 10f with no difference at all to the tank temp.
good luck with the cpds and will be good to know if more than 1 male is better than normall ratio’s (eg 1m to 2f etc)
my dad is fine with the insulation and building (my grandads a builder and he worked with him for 4 years when he got made redundant so he knows the basics)
which i could afford a house/get a mortgage as its so dear around here!
chris
Iv counted 9 fry tonight, they are just starting to become freeswimming and will start to feed tomorrow, i am feeding the females up with plenty of frozen bloodworm and will try breeding again this weekend.
I am running out of time everynight after work, too many jobs and not enough hours in the day. Once the building work on the fishroom is 100% complete i can relax and start to enjoy my fish a bit more. I still have to do a bit of painting at the weekend and finish the ceiling in the larger side.I also won three more of the 18x18x12 tanks on ebay so i have to pick them up on sunday, and then get back in time for three visiters to my fishroom, the rams are selling like hotcakes and people are coming to collect their fish…Cheers, they are really tiny, a lot like the glowlight danio fry i have just grown on. They are bigger than pencilfish fry though which to date were the smallest ive had. Dont worry about the missus she gets plenty of attention :roll: :wink:
youve probably answered this question for me before but what size rad is it in there? also roughly how long is it on for?
thanks
chrisI really cant remember chris, i think it is a 9 fin oil filled radiator using 800watts, It is only on for a couple of hours a day now that the whole shed is very well insulated, after spending 20 minutes in the room the sweat is pouring off you.
I’ve bought the rest of the tanks from ebay, i picked them up and installed them this afternoon. Each tank holds about 55litres, so on this rack i now have 330 litres. This is my growout area and im hoping to install some decent lights and grow some nice plants.This is the doorway into the fishroom.New tanks on the left.
All up and running, the bottom tanks look murky because the gravel was slightly dirty. It will soon clear.
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ste,
Cheers again for a well-executed project! You’re making me wish I owned again rather than renting!Im quite pleased with this new rack and its been very cheap to get up and running..
7 Tanks – £52
Wood/brackets & screws ect – £25
Airpump – £20
Filters (homemade) x 6 – £ 20
lighting (secondhand) – £ 10So for 330 litres of water in 6 seperate tanks it is a grand total of…£127
Whoo that is a true bargain, and in 3 months time when they are fully stocked with juvenile Rams and corydoras they will pay for themselves 3 times over :lol: :lol:
The main breeder here in Ottawa has spawned over 100 fry in the past few months. He swears by 72 degree water temp. He uses the Java moss method where you take the java moss out of one tank after spawning and shake it out in another tank to release the eggs. The water in Ottawa is also around 7.5PH and pretty soft. I would say that if you want success in breeding these you have to simulate the mountain conditions they come from which do not include high temperatures like the African and South American species. I will have two breeding tanks set up in the coming weeks using two of the methods discussed in this forum. The Plastic Canvas method and the breeding trap method. I currently have Celestials in four tanks two of them are their own environment with lots of Java moss and moderately planted. The others are community tanks. As soon as I have the ten gallon tanks set up I will go crazy with the breeding experimentation.
I will keep everyone posted as to how my methodology works out. I feel pretty confident that I will have large healthy spawns. I live on softened well water that is very good and low in everything it should be. The PH is 7.5 but drops a little when I add C02 to the mix. Alkaline water at low temps is the key to CPD breeding success.
Jeffrey…
Useful info! Did the Ottowa fellow mention whether he conditions, then spawns, then conditions… or lets them spawn continuously? (The paper that describes them as a species suggests that they may be continuous spawners in the wild.)
I believe he just lets them continuously spawn. He removes Java moss with eggs and shakes it out into his fry tank. I was actually wrong about the number he has spawned. It is more like 50 every few months. He has bred out over 100 though. The fry I got tonight was from his stock. Great stock actually. I bought a wild female from him to add to the mix up here. I have a really nice male with three really nicely conditioned females including the wild one. I think the best results would come with using the plastic carpet and Java moss as the spawning mop even though it sheds. You can just suck that out. I think the microscopic organisms that live in the Java moss would feed the fry as the first start to use their digestive systems upon hatching from their eggs.
I will keep everyone posted as to my success as the weeks go on.
Cheers!
Jeffrey…
Good tips! As for the infusoria growing on the java moss — yes, for sure. Mine were at least a week old before they could take on a microworm, and BBS took a few days longer again. I fed them OSI powdered imitation infusoria fry food, but am sure most of their growth the first week came from the moss inhabitants.
Dr. Ashtray wrote:I will keep everyone posted as to how my methodology works out. I feel pretty confident that I will have large healthy spawns. I live on softened well water that is very good and low in everything it should be. The PH is 7.5 but drops a little when I add C02 to the mix. Alkaline water at low temps is the key to CPD breeding success.quote]
Hi sorry to throw your theory into chaos but i have found the Celestials to be extreamly hardy and willing to live and spawn in quite extreame contitions, let me explain….I am currently breeding celestials in water that is PH 6.2 and extreamly soft, out of the tap the TDS meter(total dissolved solids) measures about 30-40ppm this is roughly 1.5-3 GH. Temperatures regularly reach 82-84f on the top rack where my breeding fish and young fry are kept, The celestials still breed at these temps and the fry i am raising are kept at a constant 80f and are doing great, they are two months old and rapidly gaining adult colouration.
I am also keeping a few hard to keep/breed species of Apistogramma that need extreamly acidic water to spawn, these fish are in pure R/O with oak leaves and bogwood creating quite strong acidic conditions, water parameters are PH 4.5 and 0-0.5 GH hardness, temp 80-84f ..This water is so hostile to life that even live bloodworm go into shock when dropped in :lol:
When moving the young celestials into a larger tank last month three fish jumped out of the net and into the apisto tanks, they are still in there now as an experiment and there growth rate is comparable to the rest in the larger tank. I am going to leave them in these tanks until they are adult and then see if i can spawn them in these conditions.
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