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Microgeophagus Ramirez.Wild Ram cichlid spawning

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Microgeophagus Ramirez.Wild Ram cichlid spawning

Postby ste12000 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:56 pm

Bred by Steven Chester,
Cheshire UK..
F1 Microgeophagus Ramirez

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Postby ste12000 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:57 pm

The rams were purchased in the summer 2007 from a friend who is an importer and gets in some really nice fish, I bought a pair home and they settled imediately into my discus tank, very soft water with a PH of 6.2 and a temperature of 80-82F. They showed a few signs of spawning after only 1 week so i removed them to their own tank for some peace and quiet. The only tank avalible was small, 16x8x8 and is not recomended for inexperienced fishkeepers, i have plenty of experience with cichlids and have bred a few in these small tanks which were originaly bought to breed tetras and danios.
The tank was decorated with a very thin dark gravel substrate, a few small smooth pieces of bogwood were added and a large clump of java moss completed the spawning tank.
They took a couple of days to settle and soon they were showing their best colours and flirting, the females ovipositor was extended and it was obvious that breeding would comence any time now. Next day and the pair were cleaning a smooth piece of wood located amongst a bed of Java moss which provided cover. The female made a few dry runs along the wood with no eggs produced while the male waits patiently for his turn, after a few trial runs the female started laying eggs in short lines aprox 5-15 per run, she then moves to one side and the male glides over and fertilizes the eggs. This continued for around an hour until the female cannot produce anymore eggs.
I had to go out after witnessing this spawning and left the fishroom with a smug grin :D , that was soon wiped off my face an hour later when i returned and discovered the male dead on the floor where he had jumped to his death :cry: .
The female was left to tend her eggs and did a great job, from as far as i could witness their hatch rate was very close to 100%. She did the usual pit digging and moved the newly hatched fry about 3-4 times. Freeswimming time was an outstanding show in the small tank, around 150 fry made it to this stage and swarmed close to their mother. Newly hatched San francisco Baby brine shrimp was taken imediately and was suplimented with Very very fine ZM 0-0 fry food. Food size was increased according to growth and after a month the fish were taking frozen foods such as bloodworm, daphnia and Mysis,
They fry are now the large young adults pictured and are truly stunning, i have advertised them for sale as the best quality in the UK and i very much doupt anyone can prove me wrong. The best 20 were selected for future breeding and have now found new homes, two pairs are seperated now awaiting postage and are showing extended ovipositor's if they breed in the next two days it will make them 78-80 days old at the time of spawning!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=A7JDEhMldn4
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Postby ste12000 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:48 pm

I dont want to sound like to much of a smart arse but i told you so.....
Just after i finished the last post i went out to the fishroom to give a final feed of the night and one pair of the juviniles have spawned and finished while i typed the previous report. This makes these fish exactly 78 days old from the egg being laid to actually spawning themselves.
It is funny because they have gone full circle and spawned in the same tank they were born in just under three months ago.

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Its been fairly warm in the fishroom today as i turned up the heat because we had a cold night on monday, temp on the top row was 85f when checked. The male is fanning the eggs and not letting the female near... YES FOLKS THIS TANK IS NOW COVERED, there is no way i am losing another breeding male. The pair are due to be shipped out on friday to their new owner and i will most probibaly leave the eggs alone and see what happens. I do not know yet if the pair are fertile or if it will take a few gos to get it right, this is the usual pattern for cichlids.
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Postby chr15_8 » Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:58 pm

congrat ste you dont know how much i which i had the fish house with tanks running!

have you got a link ot your adverts as if/when i get it built i know who to come to for fish :wink:

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Postby ste12000 » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:20 pm

Iv been using good old ebay to list my fish... You can check out the add on..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0153570015
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Postby chr15_8 » Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:49 pm

cheers
added it to my favoites


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Postby celestialdude » Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:31 am

Ste -- those rams are beauties!!!

I see you have some coconut shell in there -- so that works as an egg-laying surface for these fish, I see... not a spawning mop?

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Postby ste12000 » Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:48 am

Thanks mate.. Yes you are right about the coconut shell, i use a fragment of this or a smooth stone or wood for these fish. Microgeophagus Ramirez like many other cichlids are substrate spawners, they clean a flat surface out in the open and lay their eggs in plain view, and then protect them from intruders. They do not use mops or plants to lay their eggs into and i cannot think of any cichlid that spawns this way.
Some cichlids are secretive cave spawners others substrate spawners and some practice mouthbrooding.
I have never bred any mouthbrooders so i might draw up a list of suitable species and try and get some next year to work with.
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Postby celestialdude » Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:57 am

Awesum. Thanks for the info Ste. What better than a slightly concave surface to nestle the eggs in.

When I have more space later I'll definitely look into breeding German Blue Rams.
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Postby ste12000 » Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:20 pm

They are a gorgous fish to breed and very interesting, if you were not so far away id post some to you..
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Postby ste12000 » Sat Sep 22, 2007 9:07 pm

UPDATE.

The eggs are fertile and are hatched, i checked the other fish today and a second pair have laid eggs on a piece of bogwood!!!

Second pair female with eggs.
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